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Pimpy C

If Uniform Motion can't sell 24 albums on iTunes, they shouldn't be worrying about trying to sell music at all.

Not for at least another year.


I really don't see the point of using exclamation points regarding Spotify. There's obviously going to be ZERO transparency from that fascist cloud from hell.

In fact, if they are streaming on Bandcamp already, it boggles my mind why they are on Spotify too...



Yuri Bern

bands are not too bright. tech companies continue to trample them.

John Pointer

Or you can simply crowdsource a salary to make music at http://patronism.com and share it with the people who help you make it, your patrons.

The average pay-what-you-feel subscription there is $10/mo and $8.50 of that goes to the band. Every 117 patrons there equals $1000/mo net to the artist.

The purpose of the site is to act as a catalyst for the creation of new work, by connecting the people who love music directly with the people who make it, in an ongoing, mutually beneficial way.

Check out the link to my website, which is my profile there.


None of this matters - if you're main revenue source is digital, no matter what the format and what it pays, unless you've got a serious budget to get the word out, you're not going to make a dime. I wish everyone would wake up already and stop worrying about the pennies they're going to make.

Paul Garner

"it costs us 35 EUR/year to keep an album on iTunes, Spotify, and Amazon (105 EUR per year for all 3 of our albums!)"

how come? I have albums on all three and it doesn't cost me anything *per year*

There was a one-off setup fee with CD Baby that get's an album into iTunes and Spotify (and many others), can't remember the terms on Amazon exactly, I don't think there was any yearly fee though or I'd not have done it.

I also sell by far more (in terms of value) CDs at gigs than I sell digital downloads, but maybe that's because I have a real band.


Your maths on the vinyl section appears to be wrong.

72 records would get you 1080 euros at 15 euros each

the total cost to produce the records ( I've used 15-7.75-your profit per record) is 7.25

so 250x7.25 = 1812

your about 48 records under in your break even estimation (given you take home 51% of the total cd cost it should be fairly obvious that you need to sell 50% of the records to break even)


Dom - that section is missing some information. They actually didn't buy 250 labels. Only a small amount. Enough for them to break even. This is why he came up with the 72 number. I agree though, it's confusing. I emailed the band a week or so about that. It all checks out.


"According to Nielsen Soundscan, it is the 15th week in a row where year-to-date album volume is greater than the prior year." www.narm.com

Independent artists, bands and labels need to stop buying the line that physical sales are dead.

I hear them say it everyday and meanwhile the Majors are continue to enjoy the majority of the store sales. Yet we know that consumers and fans will buy "new" or indie music when they are given the option.

As the rest of the world is barely digital if at all and when US artists don't make physical releases how do they expect to be part of the global trade of entertainment.

The trade numbers speak for themselves, The U.S. used to supply 80 percent of the worlds music or 36 bilion dollars worth of EXPORTS. The last trade numbers showed the us only exporting 2 billion. Meanwhile the world market for music grew by 2.7 percent.

We are being tricked by the majors to entertain our economy to death and there is a very simple way to turn this around so that we're exporting (((Art not Arms)))


Chris Duncan

Because Spotify is a music discovery tool?

Zach Allen

I was hoping to see if there was a breakdown on how the Zune marketplace paid out, or if it was all through a major record labels?


I believe that you cannot really compare sales and streams this way. A sale is a one time event. Done by a small audience.

Streams have a far lower threshold and they go on and on for years in a row. Chances of your song being streamed are way bigger than your song being sold.

In the end streams may well bring more revenue, but it takes time and only time will tell.

The good news is that the Spotify payout is still rising. Up 100% since January. Check http://www.spotidj.com/blog/?p=264 for details


This post has the band name spelled wrong in the title.

As a former manager of a string of unknown bands, it's interesting to see run-downs like this, about what pays and what doesn't, and where the break-even points are for various services.
I found though consistently that the best money was to be made by having a loyal fan sitting at a table at the back of a gig, selling CDs/t-shirts etc.


Despite the negative view some people have, bands would be hard pushed to simply ignore Spotify.


yeah, that seemed like an odd statement to me as well. Why would it cost money to maintain an album on itunes, once fees are paid?


a bit late, but @ paul gardner, CD baby takes 9% of your net income from digital distro partners. so you have to factor that in VS a yearly fee.

spooky steve

hahaha re: Zune.


why would bandcamp take 2,25 from the vinyl sale?
normally one buys vinyl directly from a label or from the band.


Mmmh, seeing that numbers makes me thinking:
this numbers are not that low - i'd would have expected much(!) lower numbers for the artists :-)

James Irwin

gee thank you. being trampled may not be a sign of dimness, but a sign that focus is elsewhere...for instance on making good music, not maximizing profit. it is true, we're trampled, but a world where brightness is measured in one's ability to take advantage of others is...well you know what it is.


Why bother paying Bandcamp? Host your own site and sell downloads for $92/year (73.24 EUR). That's hosting and domain included. You could calculate the breakeven and stay with Bandcamp until their % fees outweighed website costs, but do you really want to wait until your fan base is that big to say "Hey don't go to this website anymore, go to this one instead." I'd personally rather have full control over my central web presence the whole time and build loyalty and reliable traffic with my own domain name.

Plus, Wordpress makes it really easy.


That might be okay for dedicated fans, but Bandcamp is a serious plus for "everybody else", becuase it is a trusted source and has a good infrastructure. You might be okay setting up your own domain, hosting, CMS, shop system, payment method, delivery... etc., but most artists don't know how to do that (nor should they have to), don't want to spend their time on that, or worst of all, don't know how but try to do it anyway. According to the Bandcamp FAQ that's why they started the service: because in the age of DIY digital distribution there is a hodgepodge of unreliable websites, unsecure payment processing, sloppy handling of audio content, excruciating delivery, etc. What Bandcamp offers for their percentage is a unified interface and infrastructure that customers can get to know and trust. If I purchase from Bandcamp, I can be sure that none of the technical aspects are messed up.

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