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# Overheard @ Day 1 Of Scion’s Music(less) Music Conference In Los Angeles
- URL: https://www.hypebot.com/overheard-at-the-first-day-of-scions-musicless-music-conference-in-los-angeles/
- Published: 2010-06-18T06:26:00.000Z
- Updated: 2010-06-18T06:26:00.000Z
- Description: This guest post is by Max Willens, editor of We All Make Music, a website dedicated to helping musicians thrive in a post-label world. "If I charged more for what. Continue reading [https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2010/06/overheard-at-the-first-day-of-scions-musicless-music-conference-in-los-angeles
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This guest post is by **Max Willens**, editor of **[We All Make Music](http://weallmakemusic.com/?ref=hypebot.com)**, a website dedicated to helping musicians thrive in a post-label world.

"If I charged more for what I do, then everybody would **start nickel and diming** one another, and the whole thing would just fall apart." **Black Lips' Joe Bradley**, on why he doesn't take extra money for his role as the band's tour manager.

[![image from www.cartype.com](http://hypebot.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b36c69e20134849bb131970c-150wi)](http://www.cartype.com/pics/3077/small/scion%5Flogo%5Fbw.jpg?ref=hypebot.com) "On average, **fans pay 50% more** than the minimum amount set by artists." **Bandcamp's** **Ethan Diamond** on his site's pay what you want option.

"When you **sign with a record label,** you'd better have your team together, because there's **no money for artist development** anymore. All you can hope for is some marketing and ad money." **Jayson Jackson**, former VP Marketing & Promo, **Bad Boy Entertainment.** 

> "**People talk about selling out**

, they're hailing artists like Bob Dylan or the Stones or the Beatles, but they were aligned with a social movement.

****I don't know anyone who's a part of a social movement in America today**

." – 

****Naeem Juwan**

, a.k.a. Spank Rock, on selling out

"If Camel or whoever wants me to play, what fan is going to be pissed that they got to see me for free." –**Tommie Sunshine**, on the question of selling out

> "If you were on welfare, you got **an extra $100 per month if you worked in publishing**. And me and my friends thought that sounded like a pretty good scam." –**Suroosh Alvi**, founder of **Vice**, on his company's humble beginnings

Editor: **Jesse VonDoom** of **[Cash Music](http://cashmusic.org/?ref=hypebot.com)** also [presented](http://blog.cashmusic.org/2010/06/17/presenting-cash-at-the-scion-musicless-music-conference/?ref=hypebot.com) and explained the non-profit music tech company's unique mission.